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Aftermarket Engine Oil Cooler For 02'+

PostPosted:February 5th, 2019, 9:00 am
by IMSpecialX2
Hello, I know this is probably not a new topic, but, I've searched the forum and can't find anything rela
But, I'm really interested in Installing an Aftermarket Engine oil cooler. Because I want the car to last as long as possible. Knowing these Engines work too hard and Run quite hot, so that basically means the Oil gets broken down sooner/quicker (probably even before 3K miles). Because I believe these Engine are too sensitive and Removing/Deleting the Oil cooler in 2002+ puts the Engines at greater risk, just speaking from all the horror stories I've read about, and being a victim Myself, I'm trying to do whatever that's within My power to help ease the stress on the Engine and hopefully prolong it's service life.

Now, I know most people will say, Just Change the oil frequently/at due intervals or every 3K miles. I know that and I will, as I've always done. But, if I can do more to help why not??

My thought is, even if I stayed on top of the oil changes I still believe that with the Engine naturally running hot by design, naturally thier internals are gonna break down faster with age from all that heat. Knowing and seeing the 02+ (02 in particular) are Prone to damage, I just read at least 2 people with Rocker arm and Chewed Up Cam Lobe problems. I don't want to be the next victim.

But, anyway without writing a whole lecture, I wanted to ask if anyone knows anyone who has ran any kind of Aftermarket oil cooler?? (If it's Even possible) due to the tight real estate where the oil filter goes and the starter right beside it would probably make it a greater challenge.

I found one on eBay https://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Row-10AN-Th ... 0935.m2460 I messaged the seller but haven't heard back from them.
I would prefer one with Oil pressure sensor and Thermostat (No brainer) just to see the difference/monitor positive results and to make sure it's cooling when it's needs to not always

So anyone please?
Thanks.

Re: Engine Oil Cooler

PostPosted:February 5th, 2019, 10:01 am
by FIREM
I would NOT add an oil cooler without the Factory Control Valve:
From the FSM:
"Engine oil travels from the control valve through
the supply line and into the cooler. The control valve
allows engine oil flow when pressure is above
138–207 kPa (20–30 psi) and an internal orifice limits
oil flow to a maximum of 11.3 LPM (3 GPM). The
engine oil exits the cooler through the oil return line
and is returned to the engine oil pan "
By both controlling the pressure and flow to the cooler it shuts off/limits flow to assure the engine internals get oil flow.
This valve has been problematic over the years. Leaks and even the guts have been found blown out into the pan on a few occasions.
Aftermarket kits with filter adaptors typically do not account for pressure & flow concerns that the factory valve does.
5014313AA is the part number and is "Discontinued, no longer available" according to Mopar parts web sites.
Far more 3.5's without the oil cooler many nearing 0r exceeding 200k miles tells me it is not worth the time & effort to install.

Re: Engine Oil Cooler

PostPosted:February 5th, 2019, 10:35 am
by cin993
IMSpecialX2 wrote: February 5th, 2019, 9:00 am Hello, I know this is probably not a new topic, but, I've searched the forum and can't find anything rela
But, I'm really interested in Installing an Aftermarket Engine oil cooler. Because I want the car to last as long as possible. Knowing these Engines work too hard and Run quite hot, so that basically means the Oil gets broken down sooner/quicker (probably even before 3K miles). Because I believe these Engine are too sensitive and Removing/Deleting the Oil cooler in 2002+ puts the Engines at greater risk, just speaking from all the horror stories I've read about, and being a victim Myself, I'm trying to do whatever that's within My power to help ease the stress on the Engine and hopefully prolong it's service life.

Now, I know most people will say, Just Change the oil frequently/at due intervals or every 3K miles. I know that and I will, as I've always done. But, if I can do more to help why not??

My thought is, even if I stayed on top of the oil changes I still believe that with the Engine naturally running hot by design, naturally thier internals are gonna break down faster with age from all that heat. Knowing and seeing the 02+ (02 in particular) are Prone to damage, I just read at least 2 people with Rocker arm and Chewed Up Cam Lobe problems. I don't want to be the next victim.

But, anyway without writing a whole lecture, I wanted to ask if anyone knows anyone who has ran any kind of Aftermarket oil cooler?? (If it's Even possible) due to the tight real estate where the oil filter goes and the starter right beside it would probably make it a greater challenge.

I found one on eBay https://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Row-10AN-Th ... 0935.m2460 I messaged the seller but haven't heard back from them.
I would prefer one with Oil pressure sensor and Thermostat (No brainer) just to see the difference/monitor positive results and to make sure it's cooling when it's needs to not always

So anyone please?
Thanks.
my car has the engine oil cooler, it came as standard equipment. it's a 2001 3.2L. from 2002 models and up it was eliminated. the engine oil cooler is internal to the radiator--there is a small metal tank on the passenger side of the rad. on the driver side of the rad there is an internal tranny cooler.

a year or two ago i replaced the engine oil cooler return and supply lines, as well as the tranny oil cooler return and supply lines. you would need that OIL COOLER PRESSURE CONTROL VALVE-- you can find one if you look even though it's discontinued by crhrysler, i priced it at about $200 last year but did not need one. there's nothing special about this valve- it's simply mechanical, but because it's a rare item the price is just crazy.

if you really wanted to add this then it would cost about $400 for factory setup-- a new rad, 2 lines and valve

Re: Aftermarket Engine Oil Cooler

PostPosted:February 5th, 2019, 3:26 pm
by IMSpecialX2
FIREM wrote: February 5th, 2019, 10:01 am I would NOT add an oil cooler without the Factory Control Valve:.
Must it be "Factory Control Valve"? Any other kind of Control Valve won't work?
FIREM wrote: February 5th, 2019, 10:01 am From the FSM:
"Engine oil travels from the control valve through
the supply line and into the cooler. The control valve
allows engine oil flow when pressure is above
138–207 kPa (20–30 psi) and an internal orifice limits
oil flow to a maximum of 11.3 LPM (3 GPM). The
engine oil exits the cooler through the oil return line
and is returned to the engine oil pan "
By both controlling the pressure and flow to the cooler it shuts off/limits flow to assure the engine internals get oil flow.
This valve has been problematic over the years. Leaks and even the guts have been found blown out into the pan on a few occasions.
Aftermarket kits with filter adaptors typically do not account for pressure & flow concerns that the factory valve does.
I understand the big/biggest part of doing this is controlling the Oil Pressure to ensure proper oil flow, That's why I Mentioned About Getting one that comes with Oil pressure sensor/monitor, in that way it'll function as factory or close to It. I have seen even one that comes with Oil Pressure and Temperature control/Sensor - That's the one I'm planning to get, in that way I Can Monitor everything that's going on...
FIREM wrote: February 5th, 2019, 10:01 am 5014313AA is the part number and is "Discontinued, no longer available" according to Mopar parts web sites.
Far more 3.5's without the oil cooler many nearing 0r exceeding 200k miles tells me it is not worth the time & effort to install.
Yes I've seen 200K+ Mileage , But I want to go well above that, I Want to see 300K+Miles... ☺

Re: Engine Oil Cooler

PostPosted:February 5th, 2019, 3:45 pm
by IMSpecialX2
cin993 wrote: February 5th, 2019, 10:35 am
my car has the engine oil cooler, it came as standard equipment. it's a 2001 3.2L. from 2002 models and up it was eliminated. the engine oil cooler is internal to the radiator--there is a small metal tank on the passenger side of the rad. on the driver side of the rad there is an internal tranny cooler.

a year or two ago i replaced the engine oil cooler return and supply lines, as well as the tranny oil cooler return and supply lines. you would need that OIL COOLER PRESSURE CONTROL VALVE-- you can find one if you look even though it's discontinued by crhrysler, i priced it at about $200 last year but did not need one. there's nothing special about this valve- it's simply mechanical, but because it's a rare item the price is just crazy.

if you really wanted to add this then it would cost about $400 for factory setup-- a new rad, 2 lines and valve
I know what You mean, I wish Mine did too, The Engine I Had in there did have the line, but I put another Engine in there and it didn't.
But, I think You must've not understood what I meant... Since the 02+ didn't come with the Oil Cooler, Its pointless and waste of effort trying to drill the oil pan to thread a pressure control valve and/run lines from there, Plus since even the Manufacturer told us thier Engine Oil Cooler system is Problematic.. What I Instead want to do is control the pressure and the Temp Right from the Oil Filter, That's where the Aftermarket Kit threads into and It'll have the Oil Pressure control and Temp Sensors On it, then wire the Gauges inside the car and Monitor everything from there....

Re: Aftermarket Engine Oil Cooler For 02'+

PostPosted:February 5th, 2019, 5:32 pm
by LUNAT1C
I will echo Bob's statement. If you want an oil cooler, stick with the factory setup.

That said, Chrysler engineers would not have deleted it for 2002 if there was concern over longevity as it relates to oil temperature, and they did extensive studies to reach that conclusion. 200k is a cakewalk for cars without it, and there's no doubt in my mind that 300k+ is also easily achievable given appropriate maintenance. Do freak accidents occur? Absolutely. But they're just that, freak accidents. My Special lives on 1 yr/5000 mile oil changes. Blackstone labs stated my engine wear is very typical for a car of its age and mileage and the oil had enough life to get to 7500 miles no problem. I don't drive it that often, so I change it every Spring.

I have no intention of installing an oil cooler. The only reason I have an auxiliary trans cooler is because I believe the body shop that repaired the wreck damage (replaced radiator) wasn't aware that the cooler was internal to the radiator. It runs off the original design, so I'm not worried about it. Now if I was intending to run the car aggressively in competition driving, rather than the occasional run around a track, then I'd consider an oil cooler. Normal driving doesn't warrant it, but to each his own.

The only LH cars I'm aware of that had aftermarket oil coolers are those that were turbocharged and are driven beyond the original design intent.