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 #349892  by slimpants
 September 13th, 2015, 2:35 pm

Plot idea:

97% of the world's scientists contrive an environmental crisis, but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires & oil companies.

- Scott Westerfeld, Young Adult fiction writer

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 #373828  by hrmwrm
 May 23rd, 2018, 2:05 am
At a meeting in Exxon Corporation's headquarters, a senior company scientist named James F. Black addressed an audience of powerful oilmen. Speaking without a text as he flipped through detailed slides, Black delivered a sobering message: carbon dioxide from the world's use of fossil fuels would warm the planet and could eventually endanger humanity.

"In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels," Black told Exxon's Management Committee, according to a written version he recorded later.

It was July 1977 when Exxon's leaders received this blunt assessment, well before most of the world had heard of the looming climate crisis.

A year later, Black, a top technical expert in Exxon's Research & Engineering division, took an updated version of his presentation to a broader audience. He warned Exxon scientists and managers that independent researchers estimated a doubling of the carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by 2 to 3 degrees Celsius (4 to 5 degrees Fahrenheit), and as much as 10 degrees Celsius (18 degrees Fahrenheit) at the poles. Rainfall might get heavier in some regions, and other places might turn to desert.

"Some countries would benefit but others would have their agricultural output reduced or destroyed," Black said, in the written summary of his 1978 talk.

His presentations reflected uncertainty running through scientific circles about the details of climate change, such as the role the oceans played in absorbing emissions. Still, Black estimated quick action was needed. "Present thinking," he wrote in the 1978 summary, "holds that man has a time window of five to ten years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical."

Exxon responded swiftly. Within months the company launched its own extraordinary research into carbon dioxide from fossil fuels and its impact on the earth. Exxon's ambitious program included both empirical CO2 sampling and rigorous climate modeling. It assembled a brain trust that would spend more than a decade deepening the company's understanding of an environmental problem that posed an existential threat to the oil business.

Then, toward the end of the 1980s, Exxon curtailed its carbon dioxide research. In the decades that followed, Exxon worked instead at the forefront of climate denial. It put its muscle behind efforts to manufacture doubt about the reality of global warming its own scientists had once confirmed. It lobbied to block federal and international action to control greenhouse gas emissions. It helped to erect a vast edifice of misinformation that stands to this day.
from here. ... al-warming

funny to be debating it now. when exxon was touting the trouble 40 years ago. and this came out just after the last post here.
it's interesting now the oil companies are being sued for their part of the cost from changing climate in heavily affected areas. mostly coastal.
and in the time of the kock brothers tangerine fluffer. :D
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 #374251  by slimpants
 June 13th, 2018, 6:45 pm

Yeah. It's a shame one of those Kock twins has fallen ill. Hope he gets better soon ..


Justify won the Belmont Stakes, becoming the 13th triple Crown winner, and turned down an invitation to the White House.
Asked why, the winner neighed, “If I wanted to see a horse’s asss, I would’ve finished second."

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 #374262  by hrmwrm
 June 13th, 2018, 11:43 pm
that's just an excerpt from the link. there are 6 parts in total. amazing the info gathered from both exxon and shell.
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 #374375  by slimpants
 June 19th, 2018, 9:50 pm

That's been public domain for decades, dude. Just like the tobacco companies and NFL owners feigning that they had no 'previous' knowledge, it's shamefully embarrassing.

And now we've got the biggest fattest lying shyster in recorded human history at the helm. Who coulda imagined ?
His poor grand son Barren asks him what time it is, Donnie lies to the kid "just for practice" ..

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"Sorry, bud. Gorilla Glue is coming loose."


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 #374379  by hrmwrm
 June 20th, 2018, 12:09 am
i know it's been around for awhile. that story was written 3 days after your last 2015 post.
denial is an effort in futility. i'm surprised no one has taken even a potshot at mr cleeeeeen coal.
gotta keep that "lee press on hair" in place.
grandson. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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 #374380  by slimpants
 June 20th, 2018, 1:15 am

"Crackers. Have you no humility? You do realize this is being televised, right?? Your children are gonna see this."


"If we could only stop the flow of narcotics coming in from our southern border, there'd no longer be a demand."


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 #374400  by hrmwrm
 June 21st, 2018, 2:03 am
"If we could only stop the flow of narcotics coming in from our southern border, there'd no longer be a demand."
it's amazing the perversion of intelligence a lack of critical thinking can induce. :D

i'm sure the crew on the space station are glad to hear that nasa is re-opening. :lol:

for those uninformed.

i think our leader to placate the province who didn't vote for him is running around buying up what will soon be stranded assets.
this unfortunately sinks his stand on environment.
at least legal weed appears to be going through. :mrgreen:
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 #374413  by slimpants
 June 21st, 2018, 4:35 pm

And Wendell Potter (who ran CIGNA's PR machine for 15 years until he finally had a crisis of conscience*) tells how he and his other Insurance company weasels used a similar playbook to screw us all out of basic health care. ... ff-a-cliff

* "What he saw appalled him. Hundreds of desperate people, most without any medical insurance, descended on the clinic from out of the hills. People queued in long lines to have the most basic medical procedures carried out free of charge. Some had driven more than 200 miles from Georgia. Many were treated in the open air. Potter took pictures of patients lying on trolleys on rain-soaked pavements."

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 #374429  by hrmwrm
 June 22nd, 2018, 6:05 pm
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well, that worked wierd here. can you tell the difference? :lol:
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