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 #274193  by EasyRider300M
 
16 Scientists dispute co2 causing global warming:
http://news.yahoo.com/16-scientists-dec ... 55794.html
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 #274198  by 300maximilien
 
We will not know who is right until it is too late...

There is so much point / counter-point back and forth it will keep your head spinning for ever!

msnbc.com staff and news service reports
updated 11/18/2011 7:06:27 PM ET
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WASHINGTON - Top international climate scientists and disaster experts meeting in Africa have a sharp message for the world's political leaders: Get ready for more dangerous and unpredictable weather caused by global warming.
They're calling for preparations that they say will save lives and money.
The experts fear that without preparedness, crazy weather extremes may overwhelm some locations, making them uninhabitable.
The Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued a new special report on global warming and extreme weather Friday after meeting in Uganda.
This is the first time the group of scientists has focused on the dangers of extreme weather events such as heat waves, floods, droughts and storms.
Those are more dangerous than gradual increases in the world's average temperature.
The Washington Post reported that the report said there was at least a 66 percent chance that climate extremes had been changed because of carbon emissions produced by fossil fuels and other human activity.
Story: Flooded in 60 minutes: NYC tunnel warning
"Economic losses from weather- and climate-related disasters are increasing," the report said, according to the Post.
"The fact is, a small change in average temperature can have a big impact on extremes," Gerald Meehl, a senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research and one of the report's reviewers, told the paper in an interview. "It's pretty straightforward: As average temperatures go up, it's fairly obvious that heat extremes go up and [the number of] low extremes go down."
In August, the U.S. government said the United States had already tied its yearly record for the number of weather disasters with an economic loss of $1 billion or more .
Story: Fall arrives late in some Southwestern pockets
National Weather Service Director Jack Hayes said at the time that, "I don't think it takes a wizard to predict 2011 is likely to go down as one of the more extreme years for weather in history."
A report by the National Climatic Data Center listed the storms and other weather-related events that had caused more than $1 billion in damage.
Story: Expect major river changes from climate, experts warn
"I've been a meteorologist for 30 years, and I've never seen a year like 2011 in terms of extreme weather events," Jeff Masters, of the Weather Underground website, said in a press call organized by the Union of Concerned Scientists, according to the Post.
David Friedberg, CEO of Climate Corp., which offers weather insurance for farmers, told the paper that more corn and soybean farmers were paying between $30 and $40 an acre to supplement federal insurance because of the weather's unpredictability.
"What we see is really the acute pain experienced by farmers because they're suffering from more floods and more droughts than they've ever experienced," Friedberg added.
It's not just the big headline grabbing disasters like a Hurricane Katrina or the massive 2010 Russian heat wave that studies show were unlikely to happen without global warming. "A particular pattern of rising risks" from smaller events is being seen, said one of the study's lead authors, Maarten van Aalst, director of the International Red Cross/Red Crescent Climate Centre in the Netherlands.
Story: Up to 3 million Afghans face hunger as winter looms
Of all the weather extremes that kill and cause massive damage, he said, the worst is flooding.
There's a debate in the climate science community about whether it is possible and fair to attribute individual climate disasters to manmade global warming. Usually meteorologists say it's impossible to link climate change to a specific storm or drought, but that such extremes are more likely in a future dominated by global warming.
The panel was formed by the United Nations and World Meteorological Organization. In the past, it has discussed extreme events in snippets in its report. But this time, the scientists are putting them all together.
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 #296284  by 300maximilien
 
Well with all the crazy weather in 2012 I figured I would bump this hot topic again.

I just find it amazing that some people just can't see that humans are affecting the climate and that what is happening isn't just cyclical.
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 #296285  by 300maximilien
 
Damn the first page of these thread is just freakin hilarious!
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 #296312  by EasyRider300M
 
300maximilien wrote:Damn the first page of these thread is just freakin hilarious!
I think the whole thread is hilarious :lol
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 #349892  by slimpants
 
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Plot idea:

97% of the world's scientists contrive an environmental crisis, but are exposed by a plucky band of billionaires & oil companies.


- Scott Westerfeld, Young Adult fiction writer




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 #373828  by hrmwrm
 
At a meeting in Exxon Corporation's headquarters, a senior company scientist named James F. Black addressed an audience of powerful oilmen. Speaking without a text as he flipped through detailed slides, Black delivered a sobering message: carbon dioxide from the world's use of fossil fuels would warm the planet and could eventually endanger humanity.

"In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels," Black told Exxon's Management Committee, according to a written version he recorded later.

It was July 1977 when Exxon's leaders received this blunt assessment, well before most of the world had heard of the looming climate crisis.

A year later, Black, a top technical expert in Exxon's Research & Engineering division, took an updated version of his presentation to a broader audience. He warned Exxon scientists and managers that independent researchers estimated a doubling of the carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by 2 to 3 degrees Celsius (4 to 5 degrees Fahrenheit), and as much as 10 degrees Celsius (18 degrees Fahrenheit) at the poles. Rainfall might get heavier in some regions, and other places might turn to desert.

"Some countries would benefit but others would have their agricultural output reduced or destroyed," Black said, in the written summary of his 1978 talk.

His presentations reflected uncertainty running through scientific circles about the details of climate change, such as the role the oceans played in absorbing emissions. Still, Black estimated quick action was needed. "Present thinking," he wrote in the 1978 summary, "holds that man has a time window of five to ten years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical."

Exxon responded swiftly. Within months the company launched its own extraordinary research into carbon dioxide from fossil fuels and its impact on the earth. Exxon's ambitious program included both empirical CO2 sampling and rigorous climate modeling. It assembled a brain trust that would spend more than a decade deepening the company's understanding of an environmental problem that posed an existential threat to the oil business.

Then, toward the end of the 1980s, Exxon curtailed its carbon dioxide research. In the decades that followed, Exxon worked instead at the forefront of climate denial. It put its muscle behind efforts to manufacture doubt about the reality of global warming its own scientists had once confirmed. It lobbied to block federal and international action to control greenhouse gas emissions. It helped to erect a vast edifice of misinformation that stands to this day.
from here.
https://insideclimatenews.org/news/1509 ... al-warming

funny to be debating it now. when exxon was touting the trouble 40 years ago. and this came out just after the last post here.
it's interesting now the oil companies are being sued for their part of the cost from changing climate in heavily affected areas. mostly coastal.
and in the time of the kock brothers tangerine fluffer. :D
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 #374251  by slimpants
 
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Yeah. It's a shame one of those Kock twins has fallen ill. Hope he gets better soon ..

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Justify won the Belmont Stakes, becoming the 13th triple Crown winner, and turned down an invitation to the White House.
Asked why, the winner neighed, “If I wanted to see a horse’s asss, I would’ve finished second."


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 #374262  by hrmwrm
 
that's just an excerpt from the link. there are 6 parts in total. amazing the info gathered from both exxon and shell.
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 #374375  by slimpants
 
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That's been public domain for decades, dude. Just like the tobacco companies and NFL owners feigning that they had no 'previous' knowledge, it's shamefully embarrassing.


And now we've got the biggest fattest lying shyster in recorded human history at the helm. Who coulda imagined ?
His poor grand son Barren asks him what time it is, Donnie lies to the kid "just for practice" ..


hamster head.jpg
"Sorry, bud. Gorilla Glue is coming loose."



Clown.


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 #374379  by hrmwrm
 
i know it's been around for awhile. that story was written 3 days after your last 2015 post.
denial is an effort in futility. i'm surprised no one has taken even a potshot at mr cleeeeeen coal.
gotta keep that "lee press on hair" in place.
grandson. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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 #374380  by slimpants
 
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"Crackers. Have you no humility? You do realize this is being televised, right?? Your children are gonna see this."

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"If we could only stop the flow of narcotics coming in from our southern border, there'd no longer be a demand."



#cagethekids


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 #374400  by hrmwrm
 
"If we could only stop the flow of narcotics coming in from our southern border, there'd no longer be a demand."
it's amazing the perversion of intelligence a lack of critical thinking can induce. :D

i'm sure the crew on the space station are glad to hear that nasa is re-opening. :lol:

for those uninformed.
https://www.smokeandfumes.org/

i think our leader to placate the province who didn't vote for him is running around buying up what will soon be stranded assets.
this unfortunately sinks his stand on environment.
at least legal weed appears to be going through. :mrgreen:
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 #374413  by slimpants
 
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And Wendell Potter (who ran CIGNA's PR machine for 15 years until he finally had a crisis of conscience*) tells how he and his other Insurance company weasels used a similar playbook to screw us all out of basic health care.

https://www.tarbell.org/2018/04/the-pla ... ff-a-cliff


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Potter#Career

* "What he saw appalled him. Hundreds of desperate people, most without any medical insurance, descended on the clinic from out of the hills. People queued in long lines to have the most basic medical procedures carried out free of charge. Some had driven more than 200 miles from Georgia. Many were treated in the open air. Potter took pictures of patients lying on trolleys on rain-soaked pavements."


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 #374429  by hrmwrm
 
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well, that worked wierd here. can you tell the difference? :lol:
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