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 #238485  by DR2000
 
Tax Cut.

Not trying to start a huge debate. Thanks to the Supreme Court there is Political crap every 30 sec. on TV/Cable. Received this in email. There is some truth to it.

HOW SMART ARE AMERICANS? HOW SMART ARE TEA PARTY PEOPLE?
NOT VERY SMART I'M SORRY TO SAY. THEY LIKE TO WHINE AND (CENSORED) ABOUT TAXES. RECENT POLL SHOWED ONLY 8% OF AMERICANS KNEW THEY RECEIVED THE LARGEST MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT IN HISTORY FROM OBAMA IN 2009. 92% ARE CLUELESS. BY THE WAY HE TOOK OFFICE IN JANUARY AND WE GOT IT APRIL 1st. 2009. FAST!

BUSH GAVE US A $250 CHECK, ONE TIME, WHILE PRESIDENT AND HE SENT OUT LETTERS TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE TO TELL US IT WAS COMING. GUESS HE COULDN'T READ A TELEPROMPTER.

OBAMA'S CUT GAVE US, SINGLE ABOUT $400/MARRIED $800. CAME TO US WEEKLY. 95% OF WORKING AMERICANS. IT WAS CALLED "MAKING WORK PAY"

OBAMA'S MISTAKE WAS HE THOUGHT WE WERE PAYING ATTENTION. WE WERE TOO BUSY LISTENING TO THE TEA PARTY SPONSORED BY KOCH MONEY.

TEST. DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR TAX CUT IS IN 2010? HINT.. IT'S MORE THAN BUSH'S $250. MAYBE OBAMA SHOULD USE TAX PAYER'S MONEY AND SEND US A LETTER LIKE BUSH DID. THE OTHER DUMB PEOPLE ARE THE DEMOCRATS. THEY THINK WE PAY ATTENTION TO DETAILS.
DON'T THEY GET, IT WE WATCH FOX.
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 #238499  by Bill Putney
 
That was a joke, right? There was so much wrong with it, I'm not even going to start. The problem for Obama is that people *are* paying attention. For example, they realize that the "tax decrease" is simply a change in withholding, and the bill will come due when their taxes are filed the next year. You can't be serious to be thinkng or saying that our taxes are going down under Obama. The printing presses are running full blast.
 #238503  by 300Michael
 
That goes under the same falisy that says Tax the Rich Corperations. Businesses pass on the taxes in form of higher prices for thier products or services, or they go out of business. So you can guess who really pays to Corp. taxes. We will continue to pay for those little give backs in next years tax payment. I think Goverment is the only enity that takes your money and you are glad to get a couple of penneys back on the dollar. The Tea Party gets it, I wish Obama would.
 #238524  by Tarheel
 
dr2000 wrote:Tax Cut.

Not trying to start a huge debate. Thanks to the Supreme Court there is Political crap every 30 sec. on TV/Cable. Received this in email. There is some truth to it.

HOW SMART ARE AMERICANS? HOW SMART ARE TEA PARTY PEOPLE?
NOT VERY SMART I'M SORRY TO SAY. THEY LIKE TO WHINE AND (CENSORED) ABOUT TAXES. RECENT POLL SHOWED ONLY 8% OF AMERICANS KNEW THEY RECEIVED THE LARGEST MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT IN HISTORY FROM OBAMA IN 2009. 92% ARE CLUELESS. BY THE WAY HE TOOK OFFICE IN JANUARY AND WE GOT IT APRIL 1st. 2009. FAST!

BUSH GAVE US A $250 CHECK, ONE TIME, WHILE PRESIDENT AND HE SENT OUT LETTERS TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE TO TELL US IT WAS COMING. GUESS HE COULDN'T READ A TELEPROMPTER.

OBAMA'S CUT GAVE US, SINGLE ABOUT $400/MARRIED $800. CAME TO US WEEKLY. 95% OF WORKING AMERICANS. IT WAS CALLED "MAKING WORK PAY"

OBAMA'S MISTAKE WAS HE THOUGHT WE WERE PAYING ATTENTION. WE WERE TOO BUSY LISTENING TO THE TEA PARTY SPONSORED BY KOCH MONEY.

TEST. DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR TAX CUT IS IN 2010? HINT.. IT'S MORE THAN BUSH'S $250. MAYBE OBAMA SHOULD USE TAX PAYER'S MONEY AND SEND US A LETTER LIKE BUSH DID. THE OTHER DUMB PEOPLE ARE THE DEMOCRATS. THEY THINK WE PAY ATTENTION TO DETAILS.
DON'T THEY GET, IT WE WATCH FOX.


:( It's you that is not smart :!: You so wrong and screwed up that you are not worth talking to. :(
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 #238535  by beespecial
 
dr2000 wrote: THE OTHER DUMB PEOPLE ARE THE DEMOCRATS.
This was the only sentence in your whole post that I agree with.
 #238538  by DR2000
 
Humm so hostle..1. I have checks from last year and got the bucks. Check yours.
2. Inflation is nada, close to Zero. So much for companies raised prices.
3. Did you say the same thing when you got Bush's payola? No.
4. In 2007 my 401 K lost $175,000. I have $168,000 back in the last year.
5. I didn't make it up /email.
6. It was just about Americans and Taxes they pay. So you think the poll
is wrong?
7. Too much to that you can't bring some real points to the table? Heard that
before, a copout.
8. Not debating Health Care, bailouts, or if Obama was born in the USA.

Did we/you get a tax cut or not. Stick to the subject.
Printing money???? Oh ya my $250 from Bush came from China
Koch wouldn't give him a loan.

I trust you all can read. Was looking for intelligent comments, agree or disagree. Did you read the first line. Not trying to start a Huge debate. I think the Democrats will win in the end Republicans get their blood pressure elevated all the time and will die off. Won a $20 bet who the first comment would come from, thanks

"Two Opinions are always better than one"
 #238553  by 300Michael
 
dr2000 wrote:Tax Cut.

Not trying to start a huge debate. Thanks to the Supreme Court there is Political crap every 30 sec. on TV/Cable. Received this in email. There is some truth to it.

HOW SMART ARE AMERICANS? HOW SMART ARE TEA PARTY PEOPLE?
NOT VERY SMART I'M SORRY TO SAY. THEY LIKE TO WHINE AND (CENSORED) ABOUT TAXES. RECENT POLL SHOWED ONLY 8% OF AMERICANS KNEW THEY RECEIVED THE LARGEST MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT IN HISTORY FROM OBAMA IN 2009. 92% ARE CLUELESS. BY THE WAY HE TOOK OFFICE IN JANUARY AND WE GOT IT APRIL 1st. 2009. FAST!

BUSH GAVE US A $250 CHECK, ONE TIME, WHILE PRESIDENT AND HE SENT OUT LETTERS TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE AT TAX PAYERS EXPENSE TO TELL US IT WAS COMING. GUESS HE COULDN'T READ A TELEPROMPTER.

OBAMA'S CUT GAVE US, SINGLE ABOUT $400/MARRIED $800. CAME TO US WEEKLY. 95% OF WORKING AMERICANS. IT WAS CALLED "MAKING WORK PAY"

OBAMA'S MISTAKE WAS HE THOUGHT WE WERE PAYING ATTENTION. WE WERE TOO BUSY LISTENING TO THE TEA PARTY SPONSORED BY KOCH MONEY.

TEST. DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR TAX CUT IS IN 2010? HINT.. IT'S MORE THAN BUSH'S $250. MAYBE OBAMA SHOULD USE TAX PAYER'S MONEY AND SEND US A LETTER LIKE BUSH DID. THE OTHER DUMB PEOPLE ARE THE DEMOCRATS. THEY THINK WE PAY ATTENTION TO DETAILS.
DON'T THEY GET, IT WE WATCH FOX.
I do agree most Americans are not very smart when it comes to politics. Several factors for this.
one, most people are takers, they want something for nothing (everything costs somebody something (time, money etc.)). So the rest must work to supply them and ourselves.
There parents and grandparents were "Party People" so they will stay the course.
People believe the President controls the Government. Which is wrong. Congress controls the purse strings, makes laws, etc. If congress can control themselves like the populous, businesses, things would be different. (or they would be in jail). Presidents are supposed to lead, and set policy.
The Tea Party is at least looking at the instructions for this country (i.e. the Constitution) which is what Congress should be doing. The Congressional Democrats have been spending like crazy, What happened to being able to read a bill before it was passed, getting the Deficit under control? Half the country is finally realizing that this country is heading in the wrong direction for the past 6 years (again Congress, not the president).
As for the so called Tax Cuts. Congress pushed through those to try to push the economy. (The same as the stimulus package) to help keep people in jobs and help prevent the unemployment from going over 8%. Unfortunately they killed the change of progress, by turning on the "Evil business people" who create new jobs with adding increasing costs to doing business, and hireling new workers. (Cap in tax, Ocala's health care, uncertainty about future tax rates) If you look at all the tax increased that have passed in the last 6 years, the small givebacks amount to nothing. That is why you didn't hear much from the people. The Tea Party wasn't even a dream when those tax checks were mailed. If the Tea Party was around, they would probably have told Congress to quit spending so much of our money!. I would either like to see a sales tax, or a flat tax. Then make Congress live within it's means, and doing what it is supposed to be doing like paying for the Military, regulating interstate commerce, and the other requirements stated in the Constitution. Health Care is not mandated in the Constitution, and to Fine, and Jail anyone that does not want to purchase Government Health Insurance brakes every law in the book. (too bad it takes the Supreme Court so long to hear the case). They said we would be able to keep our current insurance, the companies are going to be lining up to drop coverage (some have already started). The costs are still going up, in getting ready for the measures to take effect in a couple of years. I had better stop.
I do agree is helps to have an intelligent conversation with people on this subject, but as stated most are ignorant about the subject so it is kind of hard.
As for the 2010 Tax Cut. That is still up in the air since the Democratic Congress left to go home before decideing on the tax bill for 2011. So we get another $400 (if they should pass it) we will have to pay them back $3,500 next year (assuming the Bush's tax cuts are not extened which should increase your tax bill by at least 5% to 25%. (above figure is income based on 70K. yours may be more or less depanding if you are still working next year). Funny I didn't get a letter about the Bush tax cuts, either? PS for all you that can't pay you better die soon (before Dec 31st to cut your taxes next year. LOL.). How sad is that.
 #238556  by Tarheel
 
O.K., we now know that you are, a hussein socialist democrat; good to know who we are talking to. :eek
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 #238562  by Bill Putney
 
dr2000 wrote:...6. It was just about Americans and Taxes they pay. So you think the poll
is wrong?
The poll is correct - it shows that Americans know that when you cut witholding (i.e., you simply print new witholding schedules) and that when you pay your taxes next year on this year's income and witholding, that you will be getting a smaller refund or will owe more that you are not getting a tax cut. You are simply having less witheld and will have to pay more when it comes time to settle up - exactly the same as if you filled out your W4 with fewer deductions. People who believe that lower witholding without actually changing the tax rates is a tax cut are the ones who aren't too smart.
Did we/you get a tax cut or not.
No. When the gov't gives $5 with one hand and takes $25 with the other hand, that is not a tax cut, as the people realize.
Did you read the first line. Not trying to start a Huge debate.
Oh no you would never do that. "HOW SMART ARE AMERICANS? HOW SMART ARE TEA PARTY PEOPLE?
NOT VERY SMART I'M SORRY TO SAY."
Won a $20 bet who the first comment would come from, thanks
Someone who doesn't hang out here wouldn't know us, and someone who does and knows us wouldn't have taken the bet. IOW - you made that up. Even the troll who never makes any worthwhile contributions to the community and only shows up once in a while to also "not start a huge debate" (yeah right) would not have taken that bet - why would he have.
"Two Opinions are always better than one"
The Constitution is the only one that counts.
 #238569  by DR2000
 
300mMichael

That's more like it. I respect your opinion. I can tell you are well read. I may not agree with everything, but most. Some points back at you? David Koch was setting up his Tea Party program before Obama took office, Rank and file T People may not have known that and some may be very sincere. No problem with them. Maybe you didn't get a copy of Bush's letter because the Post Office is bankrupt...just kidding

If you want to understand David Koch search a New Yorker 9/15/10. Draw your own opinion.
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 #238581  by 300maximilien
 
PLEASE WATCH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS. WE ARE HERE TO SHARE CARS AND FRIENDSHIPS
 #238592  by DR2000
 
Agree. Bill needs to chill out.
I am not an accountant Repeat I am not an accountant, but I did not need may daughter who is and has a CPA to read the Tax forms. Bill was wrong that you pay at the end of the year. There was a line that you declared the $800[joint/couple/married] and you deducted from what you came up as your tax. So if you owed $5000, you paid $4200. If you owed $2000 you owed $1200.
That is real money. Yes withholding was adjusted. That is how you got the money. Not talking down but your comment was misleading.

My son who has a PHD and works in MD for the Defense Dept shares car talk with me and I made the bet as we were talking about the issues. I don't need you to challenge that. You are wrong there also. Breaking news You are not always right. I got over it with three kids I am not always right. I hope you declared your tax cut. Try in next spring.
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 #238595  by swalker
 
Bill needs to chill out WTF LMAO
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 #238605  by Bill Putney
 
Congratulations, Dave. I took the bait - shame on me. Your goal in posting that was met. You did say that the purpose of your posting was not to start a huge debate. Now we know why you did it, and you were successful.

How about you keep a tally of the gains and losses we have over the next few years from Obama's policies, and let's look at the net result of that and not isolate the crumbs that were done at the beginning of his time in office just so that he could claim a tax cut. It's like I'm supposed to be grateful to someone who brings my newspaper from the sidewalk to my door and then burns my house down. "But I brought you your newspaper - why are you so upset with me - just because I burned your house down?"
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 #238609  by 300maximilien
 
OK...I think we have had enough of this.

This Politics topic is a place to lightly discuss political topics and is not a place to try to bait someone into an argument. If you want to take part in that type of Political debate then you should visit a Political Forum.